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Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:18:43 +0200

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Miloš Radovanović wrote:

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This! I've had exactly that kind of trouble on one of my previous laptops. Often the screen would not turn back on after the computer went to sleep (while Windows was still running in the background). Sometimes the keyboard, too.
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My solution was to go to the Windows power options (the detailed stuff) and disable pretty much everything. Instead of turning off the screen, I set Windows to dim the screen as much as possible. No turning off hard drives, etc. The problems disappeared.
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Thanks for the tip! I'm going to give it a shot now to see what will happen.
21 November 2023 23:18:43, Mad Batter.

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Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:08:55 +0200

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:
This probably happens when your computer (or a component, like the graphics adapter) goes into energy savings mode because of to the inactivity - and then some other thread causes the crash due to the unexpectedly sleeping component. If you can't find the specific setting that causes the trouble, I'd recommend that you run the simple and free 'Insomnia' utility ( link ) whenever you leave your desk while watching streams, to keep your computer from going into sleep mode.
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This! I've had exactly that kind of trouble on one of my previous laptops. Often the screen would not turn back on after the computer went to sleep (while Windows was still running in the background). Sometimes the keyboard, too.

My solution was to go to the Windows power options (the detailed stuff) and disable pretty much everything. Instead of turning off the screen, I set Windows to dim the screen as much as possible. No turning off hard drives, etc. The problems disappeared.
20 November 2023 12:08:55, Miloš Radovanović.

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Mon, 20 Nov 2023 04:06:01 +0200

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Mad Batter wrote:
When I come back the stream is still coming but I can't see it. None of my keys or mouse will bring back the screen.
It stays dark.
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This probably happens when your computer (or a component, like the graphics adapter) goes into energy savings mode because of to the inactivity - and then some other thread causes the crash due to the unexpectedly sleeping component.

If you can't find the specific setting that causes the trouble, I'd recommend that you run the simple and free 'Insomnia' utility ( link ) whenever you leave your desk while watching streams, to keep your computer fr om going into sleep mode.
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Thanks for the tip!

Well after I recovered the folder with the e-mails as you suggested above, I moved it into its place.
Then I deleted the empty folder just above it (wh ere it used to sit).

Now I just have to wait and see if new e-mails will be filtered into the folder now.

When all is well, I will delete the Virtual Folder I created.

I am definitely making progress now!
20 November 2023 04:06:01, Mad Batter.

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Mon, 20 Nov 2023 02:28:13 +0200

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Mad Batter wrote:
When I come back the stream is still coming but I can't see it. None of my keys or mouse will bring back the screen.
It stays dark.
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This probably happens when your computer (or a component, like the graphics adapter) goes into energy savings mode because of to the inactivity - and then some other thread causes the crash due to the unexpectedly sleeping component.

If you can't find the specific setting that causes the trouble, I'd recommend that you run the simple and free 'Insomnia' utility (link) whenever you leave your desk while watching streams, to keep your computer from going into sleep mode.
20 November 2023 02:28:13, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Mon, 20 Nov 2023 01:22:48 +0200

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Miloš Radovanović wrote:
Have you checked whether the hard/SSD drive is slowly dying? Such erratic behavior may be caused by this (as well as bad RAM). I've never had TB do anything remotely resembling what you're describing using any version in the past 20+ years.
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I have a feeling the latest problem might have been caused by a freezing of my computer screen.
It has been doing it more often than I'd like. It happens when I am watching a live video feed and go away from my computer.
When I come back the stream is still coming but I can't see it. None of my keys or mouse will bring back the screen.
It stays dark.

I have no choice at that point but to shut down the computer.
This is with The Bat and many other programs still being open.

When I shut down Windows normally all programs are closed first.

So it's very possible that problems in TB start because of this.
Would you agree?
20 November 2023 01:22:48, Mad Batter.

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Mon, 20 Nov 2023 01:16:50 +0200

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:

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When I look at my e-mail folders, there is a gap where this folder should be.
It's gone. Kaput! There is a hole there now!
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>Could you try to be more clear? What specific item in the tree panel is your cursor positioned on when you say that 'there is a hole there now' ? >If there is nothing there, how can you access its properties??

I have one of my main e-mail accounts. Under that and indented are about 12 sub-folders with other e-mail accounts.
Each of these 12 accounts starts with a folder icon and an e-mail address.
The account that disappeared only has the following now:
Folder icon., 0 (messages).

Yes I can access its properties but all the values are blank now.

>If a regular folder has disappeared from a regular account (but it still exists on the harddrive), you can put the cursor on that account in the tree >panel and press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L to reinstate it.

Thanks, this was helpful!
When I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L it came back! But not into the 'hole'.
Somewhere at the bottom of the list of folders.
It came back with all 700+ e-mails intact.
20 November 2023 01:16:50, Mad Batter.

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Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:37:56 +0200

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Have you checked whether the hard/SSD drive is slowly dying? Such erratic behavior may be caused by this (as well as bad RAM). I've never had TB do anything remotely resembling what you're describing using any version in the past 20+ years.
19 November 2023 13:37:56, Miloš Radovanović.

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Sun, 19 Nov 2023 06:40:54 +0200

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When I look at my e-mail folders, there is a gap where this folder should be.
It's gone. Kaput! There is a hole there now!
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Could you try to be more clear? What specific item in the tree panel is your cursor positioned on when you say that 'there is a hole there now' ? If there is nothing there, how can you access its properties??

If a regular folder has disappeared from a regular account (but it still exists on the harddrive), you can put the cursor on that account in the tree panel and press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L to reinstate it.
19 November 2023 06:40:54, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Sun, 19 Nov 2023 02:26:36 +0200

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Please help me understand what is happening here.
I went into the 'hole' where the folder used to be with its 700+ e-mails.
I went to Folder/Properties/General and tried to give the folder a name.

The same name as the folder that disappeared.
This is what TB told me:

"The directory specified seems to be already used by other folder. Do you still want to use this directory?"

Of course I'm baffled by this message. If it's being used, WHERE IS IT?

And just to add to the confusion...
I went into the parent account and did Account/Tools/Import Messages .TBB
It showed it had imported more than 700 e-mails!

But where were they? I couldn't see them anywhere!!!
The hole remained (where the folder for the account was with its 700+ e-mails).
Those messages still could not be seen anywhere, despite TB saying the messages had been imported.

So I tried something else. I created a New Virtual folder. Something I had NEVER done before.
I gave it a different name, because TB kept telling me "the folder is used already" if I gave it the name of the folder that disappeared.

Once the New Virtual folder was created voila!!!
All of my messages that had disappeared, re-appeared inside this virtual folder (with a new account name) !!!

I still don't have a clue on how to proceed from here to get TB to work the way it did yesterday.
And I don't know why TB played this trick of deleting the folder. I didn't do it accidentally, and surely TB gives
a message that asks you if you are sure you want to delete an account before you actually delete it?

I want to be comfortable again using TB and have confidence in it.

Right now my confidence is at an all-time low.
19 November 2023 02:26:36, Mad Batter.

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Sun, 19 Nov 2023 01:40:41 +0200

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OK can someone PLEASE help me recover these e-mails (above).
I went into the folder (outside TB) where the e-mails are stored and found these two files for

the account:

Messages.tbb 373,368,275 11/17/2023
Messages .tbn 1,817,829 11/17/2023

Please tell me step by step how to recover the e-mails.
19 November 2023 01:40:41, Mad Batter.

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Sun, 19 Nov 2023 01:28:16 +0200

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Well now it's getting very disconcerting, to say the least!

First an upd ate on my initial folder that was losing e-mails.
I se t it to keep e-mails on the server always.
Recall that doing that didn't help for a time period.
TB was still deleting e-mails in the folder and on the server.

Well for some unknown reason TB stopped deleting e-mails in the above folder!
It's been exactly one month now and no e-mails have disappeared in that folder.

HOWEVER.....
Something just happened now that is very upsetting.
Not only have e-mails disappeared in another folder (100's of them), but the
folder itself has disappeared!

I don't know what to say. I am absolutely shocked.

When I look at my e-mail folders, there is a gap where this folder should be.
It's gone. Kaput! There is a hole there now!

Great and now a bug in this forum software!
The following words don't behave...

"Update" "set it"
19 November 2023 01:28:16, Mad Batter.

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Sun, 05 Nov 2023 10:19:47 +0200

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:

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Csaba Murgács wrote:
If I create a pop3 account and import it there, I only see the address information for most of the letters. Not the content. It is interesting that there are some emails that are still readable.
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That's strange! Have you tried running "Folder | Maintenance Center | Check Integrity/Repair" on that pop3 account?

Maybe you'll have more luck reading the messages in that TBB file using this free tool: https://www.bitrecover.com/free/the-bat-viewer/ (if you do, please let me know.. I've never come round to actually trying it myself).
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Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately none of them work.
I can't restore it from Google's system. And Bat saved files are probably corrupted. In some cases, the text of the lost email can be read, but the attachment can no longer be opened.
05 November 2023 10:19:47, Csaba Murgács.

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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 20:57:32 +0200

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Zygmunt Wereszczyński wrote:

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Now that you mention it, that Inbox Analyzer also pops up on my screen once a week or so.

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I wonder if you have Inbox Analyzer function active. This feature was abandoned in The Bat! v. 8.8, as I remember.
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Well, I thought I had it off, but I've unchecked one or two more check boxes in the settings and it should really be off now.. we'll see if it ever pops up again!

I don't know why it was removed either.. it does sound quite useful. However, I already have the folder structure, filters and macros the way that I want them. Maybe I'll give it a spin later, manually, I just hope it doesn't make any changes without asking me explicitly.
03 November 2023 20:57:32, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 20:49:40 +0200

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Csaba Murgács wrote:
If I create a pop3 account and import it there, I only see the address information for most of the letters. Not the content. It is interesting that there are some emails that are still readable.
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That's strange! Have you tried running "Folder | Maintenance Center | Check Integrity/Repair" on that pop3 account?

Maybe you'll have more luck reading the messages in that TBB file using this free tool: https://www.bitrecover.com/free/the-bat-viewer/ (if you do, please let me know.. I've never come round to actually trying it myself).
03 November 2023 20:49:40, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 20:22:03 +0200

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Csaba Murgács wrote:
Is there a possibility that the contents of the .tbb and .tbn files can somehow be returned to the google server?Or that I can read these letters in another folder?
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You could try Folder -> Browse Deleted Messages, as Daniel recently wrote here: https://www.ritlabs.com/en/auth-forums/forum4/topic16180/message55807/#message55807
03 November 2023 20:22:03, Miloš Radovanović.

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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 18:48:23 +0200

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:
Now that you mention it, that Inbox Analyzer also pops up on my screen once a week or so.

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I wonder if you have Inbox Analyzer function active. This feature was abandoned in The Bat! v. 8.8, as I remember.

By the way, using the Inbox Analyzer function, you can define automatic sorting of correspondence with the most common senders and recipients. After meeting certain requirements, The Bat! can periodically create and run a set of filters for incoming and outgoing mail and sort mail into appropriate subfolders of a given account.

After scanning the indicated accounts, the program proposes various operations on found messages that meet the criteria. You can create filters and folders, mark messages as spam, move them to an archive folder, etc. Thanks to the analyzer, you can also take care of order in your inbox and minimize the number of messages stored in it. This last feature is especially important because the inbox is most vulnerable to failure, the probability of which increases with a large number of messages.

So, I do not know why it was removed.
03 November 2023 18:48:23, Zygmunt Wereszczyński.

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Fri, 03 Nov 2023 10:46:39 +0200

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Hello!

I have such a problem with a gmail mailbox set as IMAP that I accidentally deleted mail from the inbox folder. They were also deleted on the Google server.
However, I have the .tbn and .tbb from a backup, and I also have the tbb and tbn files in an imap folder. If I import these into the inbox folder, The Bat does not display them, because they are no longer on the Google server.
If I create a pop3 account and import it there, I only see the address information for most of the letters. Not the content. It is interesting that there are some emails that are still readable.

Is there a possibility that the contents of the .tbb and .tbn files can somehow be returned to the google server?
Or that I can read these letters in another folder?
03 November 2023 10:46:39, Csaba Murgács.

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Fri, 27 Oct 2023 16:57:40 +0300

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Now that you mention it, that Inbox Analyzer also pops up on my screen once a week or so.

I have unmarked a few checkboxes in the Inbox Analyzer options under 'Options |
Preferences | Other Options' -- hopefully that will put an end to it.
27 October 2023 16:57:40, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Thu, 26 Oct 2023 23:40:34 +0300

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:
If you are positively sure of these two things:

1) You have "Leave Messages on Server" set in the account properties
2) You have no other accounts set up in The Bat that check this same email address or an Alias of it

Then yes, I think you should contact support and explain that The Bat seems to be deleting messages from the server when it should not. I'd recommend that you include screenshots of your account settings (Transport, Mail Management and Options screens), your Windows and TB version numbers, and a link to this discussion.
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Thanks Daniel again.
Yes it's time to escalate this to TB support.

Of note, my last e-mails that arrived into this account's folder inside The Bat were dated Oct 18 and Oct 19.
I am about to activate the account (it had been de-activated since those tests while I did the server test).
I fully expect those e-mails to disappear shortly inside The Bat, as they were doing before.

On another note. There are still many TB functions that remain a mystery to me (I don't use most of them).
One function keeps popping up on its own roughly once a week or so:

Inbox analyzer - Select accounts

I don't know what it's for, what's it's doing, if I need to be using it, and if not how to turn it off?
26 October 2023 23:40:34, Mad Batter.

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Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:13:27 +0300

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If you are positively sure of these two things:

1) You have "Leave Messages on Server" set in the account properties
2) You have no other accounts set up in The Bat that check this same email address or an Alias of it

Then yes, I think you should contact support and explain that The Bat seems to be deleting messages from the server when it should not. I'd recommend that you include screenshots of your account settings (Transport, Mail Management and Options screens), your Windows and TB version numbers, and a link to this discussion.
24 October 2023 15:13:27, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Mon, 23 Oct 2023 23:23:44 +0300

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:
Sorry to hear about the ongoing troubles. Things that I would do:

5b) Next, I would setup a new account definition for this account in The Bat, and use that from then on. If the problem reappears in this new account, I'd contact Ritlabs' helpdesk, explain the situation to them and refer them to this forum topic.

If anyone else has suggestions for you, I hope they'll speak up, too.
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Mad Batter wrote:
So now I am trying out a new idea.
I am keeping the account disabled in The Bat.
I will just log into the account on the Web (ISP) and check the mail that way.
If it still disappears from the server we will know which software is to blame.
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Well it's been four days now since I tried my 'new idea' above.
I am not using The Bat to check my e-mails in this rogue account.
I am simply logging in to my account using the Web (ISP).

All of the e-mails are staying put there, as they should be.

This tells us that some setting in The Bat is causing the e-mails
to disappear BOTH in The Bat and also on the server.

Is it time for me to escalate this with the Ritlabs helpdesk?

Or does anyone have any other suggestion I could try with The Bat?
23 October 2023 23:23:44, Mad Batter.

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Thu, 19 Oct 2023 23:44:49 +0300

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Doug Fitzpatrick wrote:

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Mad Batter wrote:

Thanks again for helping Daniel.
It is actually the simplest pop mail account. The server is pop.mail.yahoo.com and nothing is set up there that is not stock.

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The default setting for a pop account is to delete the files on the server.
I was setting up a new laptop and got caught. I use the laptop as a "rover" and want my main PC to d/l the messages and delete them from the server. The laptop leaves the messages on the server
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Thanks Doug.
I looked at the Server settings a while ago and changed them from holding the messages for five days to a month.
Then I changed that to never deleting them.
Well the messages are STILL being deleted so I am still puzzled and frustrated.

I am going to try Daniel's 5a and 5b suggestions (above) now.

Well I have been forced to try a new approach here.
I put the account on hold and created a new one.
I needed to input the account password for it to work.
Because I could not see it in The Bat I logged in to my ISP to try to see it there.
They hide it too. I was stuck.

I called my ISP for help. They gave me even more bad news!
I was going to delete the account from the server (can't put it on hold there).
But the agent told me they were (allegedly) having problems with the password generator for a couple of months now.

So even if I created a new account at the ISP end I wouldn't be able to use it.

So now I am trying out a new idea.
I am keeping the account disabled in The Bat.
I will just log into the account on the Web (ISP) and check the mail that way.
If it still disappears from the server we will know which software is to blame.
19 October 2023 23:44:49, Mad Batter.

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Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:31:57 +0300

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Mad Batter wrote:

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Thanks again for helping Daniel.
It is actually the simplest pop mail account. The server is pop.mail.yahoo.com and nothing is set up there that is not stock.

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The default setting for a pop account is to delete the files on the server.
I was setting up a new laptop and got caught. I use the laptop as a "rover" and want my main PC to d/l the messages and delete them from the server. The laptop leaves the messages on the server.
11 October 2023 10:31:57, Doug Fitzpatrick.

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Wed, 11 Oct 2023 05:18:43 +0300

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Thanks again Daniel.

Nothing is showing up when I use 'Browse Deleted Messages'.I did a CHKDSK.EXE and it didn't find anything major or even minor really. Just a few tiny things it cleared up in no time.

I changed Max. Log File size to 10Kb.

And I changed to Leave Messages on Server.

I'll monitor these changes and then try 5a and 5b if they don't help.
11 October 2023 05:18:43, Mad Batter.

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Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:34:07 +0300

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Sorry to hear about the ongoing troubles. Things that I would do:

1) Use the 'Browse Deleted Messages' command discussed earlier to see if the latest disappeared messages can still be recovered.

2) Check the harddrive with CHKDSK.EXE (in case of bad sectors or clusters near your files for that account)

3) In The Bat, in the Properties of that Yahoo account, go to Options, turn Verbose Log on and set Maximum Log File Size much bigger, e.g. 5,000 KB.

4) In the same Properties, under Mail Management, I'd turn on "Leave Messages on Server". The Bat will no longer delete any messages from the server from then on and you'll have to remember to purge them manually through the webmail interface from time to time. I would do this in case that the problems are caused or triggered by The Bat's deleting of messages.

5a) If that doesn't help, I'd deactivate this account in The Bat and replace it with a new one, just in case that something in its configuration is corrupted. You can pause/deactivate the account by going into its Properties, then Options, and turn OFF 'Check Mailbox at Startup' and 'Periodical Checking each .. minutes', and turn ON 'Ignore Check-All-Accounts request'. This way, The Bat will no longer interact with the server, except if you'd give it a manual instruction to do so (e.g. by pressing F2 when you're in that account). I would then rename the account to 'Yahoo OLD' or something to that effect.

5b) Next, I would setup a new account definition for this account in The Bat, and use that from then on. If the problem reappears in this new account, I'd contact Ritlabs' helpdesk, explain the situation to them and refer them to this forum topic.

If anyone else has suggestions for you, I hope they'll speak up, too.
10 October 2023 07:34:07, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Tue, 10 Oct 2023 04:07:44 +0300

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:
Well, in that case I'm afraid that only filters in The Bat can explain what's happening.

Have you opened the account's log file (Account | View Log) and searched it for the word "processed"? Lines with that word will tell you which filters (if any) have been moving or copying your messages. Hopefully you'll find something there.
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This is a bummer my last message which I composed was lost!
So I'll keep this REALLY short.
I tried View Log it didn't help. Only showed the last three hours.
Web server mail is also being deleted there!
What would you do if this was happening to you?
My main folder lost its messages again, despite server settings to keep mail for 30 days!
10 October 2023 04:07:44, Mad Batter.

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Thu, 05 Oct 2023 11:03:46 +0300

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steve smith wrote:
I have looked in my backup folder and the only type of files I see there are:messages.tbn and messages tbb.
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These are native files used to store messages in TB. If restoring them through the restore mechanism doesn't work you can do it manually: create a subfolder in your account folder for each pair of tbn/tbb files, copy them there, and do a Find Lost Folders on the account (right click -> Find Lost Folders, or Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L).
05 October 2023 11:03:46, Miloš Radovanović.

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Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:07:25 +0300

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tbk files to restore. But it also allows a *.* which allows you to specify the
type of file to restore. I have looked in my backup folder and the only type of files I see there are:
messages.tbn and messages tbb. pikashow download
05 October 2023 09:07:25, steve smith.

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Tue, 03 Oct 2023 08:50:05 +0300

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Well, in that case I'm afraid that only filters in The Bat can explain what's happening.

Have you opened the account's log file (Account | View Log) and searched it for the word "processed"? Lines with that word will tell you which filters (if any) have been moving or copying your messages. Hopefully you'll find something there.
03 October 2023 08:50:05, Daniel van Rooijen.

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Tue, 03 Oct 2023 03:33:25 +0300

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Daniel van Rooijen wrote:

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Mad Batter wrote:

Can anyone give some possible explanation for what is happening?
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No. You haven't provided any information about the account.

Does anyone (or anything) else have access to it?
I'm assuming it's an IMAP account. Do you also access it from another device?
Are the folder definitions on the server identical to those in The Bat and are the folders properly matched up?
Are there any scripts running on the server that might sort mail into folders, or delete messages?

If you do not require access from multiple devices, maybe you should consider switching to the much simpler POP3 protocol instead. Without the client-server synchronization of IMAP, strange occurrences like you're currently seeing are less likely to happen.
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Thanks again for helping Daniel.
It is actually the simplest pop mail account. The server is pop.mail.yahoo.com and nothing is set up there that is not stock.

No one else has access to the account. I don't access it from another device.
All messages that come into the main account land in the yahoo,com server Inbox.
Only The Bat filters my main mail into various subfolders.

It is vanilla pop.mail.yahoo.com, so no fancy scripts are running there.
03 October 2023 03:33:25, Mad Batter.