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====quote====
pierrevg wrote:
Can you tell me where the trusted certificates are stored?
=============

.ABD files in the root of the e-mail directory. RootCA.ABD and IntermCA.ABD.
28 October 2024 18:30:44, Miloš Radovanović.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57240/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57240/ Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:30:44 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
It doesn't seem to me that the problem is related to authentication but to a certificate authorizing TLS that is not valid or something.
Once I added the certificates, it worked for a few minutes, then it crashed again (I don't remember what I did).
Can you tell me where the trusted certificates are stored?
Thanks
28 October 2024 17:39:11, pierrevg.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57239/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57239/ Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:39:11 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Have you tried setting Authentication to OAUTH?

Recently we had a similar question for Outlook, and that was the solution. I am/was surprised it even worked with Regular.

EDIT: Now I see you're using TB v8, so OAUTH (if it was even present back then) will not work since Google made changes to their authentication procedure. Perhaps it's time to upgrade. I've been using GMail with TB v11 for a while now, no issues. IMAP protocol and OAUTH authentication.
28 October 2024 11:42:55, Miloš Radovanović.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57238/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57238/ Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:42:55 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
I found a slightly complicated solution but it works.
From the Thunderbird portable application, I exported the Google certificates : account settings -> End-to-end encryption -> S/MIME certificate management, Authorities tab of the window that opens.
GoogleTrust Services LLC and exported the certificates listed there.
Then, from The Bat's address book, View menu -> check "Certificate database".
Intermediate CA is then visible, creation of the contact "Google Trust Services LLC" and from the Certificates tab I imported the certificates previously exported above.
I checked my mail. The Bat told me that one of the certificates was not secure, I added it to the trusted third parties and I was finally able to recover my mail.
I don't know if all this is very clean, if someone can tell me if I risk something?
Thanks.

And it doesn't work anymore... I don't understand.
28 October 2024 04:01:59, pierrevg.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57237/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57237/ Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:01:59 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hello,

I noticed today that I no longer receive mail from my gmail accounts.

My configuration:
receive mail:
pop.google.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): Yes
Authentication: Regular
Port: 995

Windows10/64, The Bat 8.8.9 (32 bit)

Error message (in French):
====code==== 
 28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Réception des messages
 28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Connexion au serveur POP3 "pop.gmail.com" sur le port 995
 28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Initialisation de la négotiation TLS
>28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Certificat N°S: DDFD274631858E6B093C0F6C1A34FF88, algorithme : ECC (256 bits), délivré du 07/10/2024 08:25:30 au 30/12/2024 08:25:29, pour 1 domaine(s): pop.gmail.com.
>28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Propriétaire : "pop.gmail.com".
>28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Émetteur : "US", "Google Trust Services", "WR2". Valid from 13/12/2023 09:00:00 to 20/02/2029 14:00:00.
>28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Émetteur : "US", "Google Trust Services LLC", "GTS Root R1". Valid from 19/06/2020 00:00:42 to 28/01/2028 00:00:42.
>28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Racine: "BE", "GlobalSign nv-sa", "Root CA", "GlobalSign Root CA" Valid from 01/09/1998 12:00:00 to 28/01/2028 12:00:00.
!28/10/2024, 01:58:36: FETCH - Échec de la négotiation TLS. Le certificat du serveur est invalide (Les certificats ne peuvent pas être utilisés pour cet usage).
============= I don't know what certificates are in question and wh ere they are stored and how to add them, in short, I'm a bit lost. Could someone give me the procedure to follow to receive my mail again?

Thanks.
28 October 2024 03:20:49, pierrevg.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57236/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message57236/ Mon, 28 Oct 2024 03:20:49 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
This works for me:

Send mail:
smtp.googlemail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS)
Authentication: Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) - Same user/password as for mail retrieval
Port: 465

receive mail:
pop.googlemail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): Yes
Authentication: Regular
Port: 995

The Bat! Pro - v7.4.16 (32-bit)
28 November 2017 01:01:01, Daniel van Rooijen.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45117/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45117/ Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:01:01 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hi all,
I am having same problem as all above (have been using TheBat for years):
!27-Nov-17, 19:29:03: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. The server host name ("pop.gmail.com") does not match the certificate.
What certificate exactly? Where to get it from? Where exactly to place it? How to install it?

Also, can you suggest correct setting for TB?Just would like to make sure.

Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server
smtp.gmail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): Yes
Requires Authentication: Yes
Port: 465

Incoming Mail (POP) Server
pop.gmail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): Yes
Port: 993


Using: W7 32
The Bat! Professional Edition
Version 7.4.6 (32-bit)

TIA
27 November 2017 22:30:35, Vera Namy.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45116/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45116/ Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:30:35 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
This fixed my recent problems = "TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The issuer of this certificate chain was not found)" with Gmail.  However it's a little hard to tell where the GIAG2.crt file is on the https://pki.google.com/  page - it's under the title - "Google's Issuing CA certificate" - click on "Google Internet Authority G2"
16 November 2017 23:31:25, steve ripple.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45074/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message45074/ Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:31:25 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Dear George Nakos,

Your solution worked for me on The Bat! 5.0.34, Hungarian language version.  

This is the last Hungarian language version I could find, that is why I still use it.

thanks,
Daniel
03 September 2017 23:24:34, Daniel Kalman.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message44706/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message44706/ Sun, 03 Sep 2017 23:24:34 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hello,

Since about last Wednesday this old thing came for a visit - my gmail accounts would tell me that a certificate couldn't be found and the buttons to install the certificate would be disabled. To save people some searching just download GIAG2.crt from https://pki.google.com/ and Root-R2.crt from https://support.globalsign.com/customer/portal/articles/1426602-globalsign-root-certificates. Then install both using the instructions above. I can't remember which of the two helped (probably ROOT-R2). No annoying messages ever since!

Posted out of courtesy to the people on this thread that helped me get on the right track :).

(still using 6.0.12 in 2017!)
19 August 2017 10:55:38, George Nakos.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message44684/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message44684/ Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:55:38 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
ASign, thanks!
Unfortunately Regina King's post does not quite work for me either.
I even tried cleaning out all Equifax Certificate Authority certificates, then added them all back, added to trusted, but it still does not work.

I do successfully add the certificate to the list, add it to trusted, but I'm still seeing that "Unknown certificate" window each time TheBat connects.
Since I have 4 gmail mailboxes, it becomes a little annoying..)
08 April 2013 21:10:50, Vitaly Krupenik.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36660/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36660/ Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:10:50 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Vitaly Krupenik,


I'm happy my post is useful until now (4 yrs later!) but unfortunatelly I'm not using TB ('The Bat!' or 'The Best!' mail client? That's the question! smile:)) now (maybe I'll use it again later) & can't help so detailed as before.

Maybe help you:
- Read news in '2.1'.
- To vary some in '2.2'.
- Try Regina King's post (10.08.2009 07:02:18   #7).


G lk,

ASign.
08 April 2013 11:37:43, ASign.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36653/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36653/ Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:37:43 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hello!
Thanks for attention to the issue!
I got this problem on 5.3.8, but neither of certificate solutions work for me.
Any other ideas?)

p.s. The servers are pop.gmail.com:995 and smtp.gmail.com:587 with Secure on spec.port and Regular.
08 April 2013 01:48:11, Vitaly Krupenik.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36644/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message36644/ Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:48:11 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hello,

I have an problem with TheBat program. I use more gmail account with no problem before, yesterday i make an new gmail account and now can connect to this new account. SMTP conection works fine but pop3 dont connect. I use The Bat 5.0.12 version and all my account is set up in the past and now i restore when install the bat v 5.0.12 and then set up new account. I try to change the port to import certificate onthis new account and nothing works.


Have some solution for this?

Thanks


P.S.

I found the problem. TheBat put on POP server pop3.gmail.com and the corect setup is pop.gmail.com
08 May 2011 23:44:10, aaaa5 123456.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message33391/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message33391/ Sun, 08 May 2011 23:44:10 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Thanks Asign for posting the directions for this. I have had this same error message for the past week and it's been driving me crazy. However, I did the import differently as couldn't get it to work for me (or maybe it was just that I was doing something incorrectly) .


But in any case, this is how I did the Import:
Go into the Account Properties of the email account which is generating the error.
> Click on General Tab
> Click on Edit Personal Certificates
> Click on Certificate Tab
> Click on Import and then import the certificate (equifax) file from where it saved itself. (For me this was in My Documents).
> Now highlight the certificate and select the'view" tab and then select 'Add to trusted"

Version: thebat! 4.2.9.1

> Good evening,
> drking
10 August 2009 07:02:18, Regina King.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message29590/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message29590/ Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:02:18 +0300 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.

====quote====
Michael David writes:
I have been using TB for months now with Gmail, and have not had this problem. Is it because I am using v4+
=============


====quote====
Marck Pearlstone writes:
It only happens if the root certificate for Equifax, is missing or out of date.
=============


Michael & Mark,


I don't know why a helpful (not empty | up of date) 'Equifax Secure Certificate Authority' was missing in ..

  The Bat! > Address Book > Trusted Root CA

Already had 4 Equifax's, maybe unhelpful (empty | out of date):

  Equifax Equifax Secure Certificate Authority
  Equifax Secure eBusiness CA-1
  Equifax Secure Equifax Secure eBusiness CA-2
  Equifax Secure Global eBusiness CA-1

My solution added another ..

  Equifax Equifax Secure Certificate Authority

.., but helpful!


ASign.
14 February 2009 22:32:38, ASign.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27087/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27087/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:32:38 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.

====quote====
Marck Pearlstone writes:
I don't know if you can edit it. Tell me the changes you want to make, I'll change it and delete these tail end posts.
=============


Marck,


Yes, I can't edit it more. I thinked to fix minor details, but it's needless.

You can "clear this page" (del these tail end posts).


ASign.
14 February 2009 22:20:49, ASign.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27086/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27086/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:20:49 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
It only happens if the root certificate for Equifax, is missing or out of date. While it's not a hugely common problem, the posted solution is a keeper.
14 February 2009 21:32:33, Marck Pearlstone.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27079/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27079/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:32:33 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
Hmmm...

What am I missing here?

I have been using TB for months now with Gmail, and have not had this problem.  Is it because I am using v4+

md
14 February 2009 21:24:09, Michael David.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27078/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27078/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:24:09 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
I'm not admin, (although I am a moderator here) but you have correctly described the solution to G-Mail problems caused by not having the correct root certificate available in your section 2.2. Thank you for posting this solution in such detail.
14 February 2009 21:10:31, Marck Pearlstone.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27077/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27077/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:10:31 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM The Bat! Professional, SOLUTION FOR Gmail certificate PROBLEM Despite of config The Bat!, certificate & TLS errors avoids G! msgs in forum The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client.
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ADMIN, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONFIRM MY SOLUTION, PLS.
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Hi!


As many, I had a PROBLEM with G! accounts on my e-mail client 'The Bat! Professional Edition 3.5', but I found a SOLUTION:


1) PROBLEM

1.1) When I tried to receive G! msgs, a box showed:

  --------------------------------------------------
  Unknown CA Certificate
  ..................................................
 
 
  The server didn't provide a root certificate during the session, and there is
  no corresponding root certificate in your adress book.
 
  This connection may not be secure. Please contact your server
  administrator.
 
 
  [View Certificate] (disabled button)
  [Add to Trusted ] (disabled button)
 
 
  Continue anyway?
 
  [ OK ] [Cancel] (enabled buttons)
  --------------------------------------------------

This means:
  (disabled buttons): 'The Bat!' seems haven't certificate for this account.
  [ OK ] : receives msgs, but required on each connection, WHAT'S BAD!
  [Cancel] : receives no msgs.


1.2) Resultant error in G! account log:

  --------------------------------------------------
  Account Log - ***@gmail.com
  ..................................................
   2009-02-14, 12:36:57: FETCH - receiving mail messages
   2009-02-14, 12:36:58: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
  >2009-02-14, 12:36:58: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 0838A3, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 25 oct 2007 to 24 dec 2009, for 1 host(s): pop.gmail.com.
  >2009-02-14, 12:36:58: FETCH - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google Inc., pop.gmail.com.
  >2009-02-14, 12:36:58: FETCH - Issuer: US, Equifax, Equifax Secure Certificate Authority.
  !2009-02-14, 12:36:58: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The issuer of this certificate chain was not found).
  --------------------------------------------------

This means:
  'Equifax Secure Certificate Authority' error.


2) SOLUTION

2.1) Reconfigure 'The Bat! Professional Edition 3.5': NOT WORKED!!! :(

I follow ...

  Supported POP client list
  http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=12103
 
  Configuring other mail clients
  http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287
 
  The Bat! v3.62 Professional Edition
  http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=32231

..., but the PROBLEM continued.


2.2) Export / Import certificate showed on G! account log: WORKED!!! :)

- Export 'Equifax Secure Certificate Authority' from 'IE':
IE > Tools > Internet Options > Content > Certificates > Trusted certificate authorities (4th tab) > Equifax Secure Certificate Authority > Export > Next > Next > Search > ESCA > ..\Mail Directory\Certificate_ESCA.cer > Save > Next > Finish > OK > Close > OK

- Import 'Equifax Secure Certificate Authority' to 'The Bat!':
The Bat! > Address Book > Trusted Root CA > ^T > Certificates > Import > ..\Mail Directory\Certificate_ESCA.cer > Open > Equifax > View > Certification Path > Add to Trusted > Yes > OK > Cancel

- That's all & enjoy G! msgs!!!

I'm happy this SOLUTION worked for me & hope it works for all!


Good luck,

ASign.
14 February 2009 20:24:12, ASign.]]> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27073/ http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic7101/message27073/ Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:24:12 +0200 The Bat! - Configuring the E-mail Client