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BCC- don't understand the way this works
 

If I send an email to man@yahoo.com with a BCC to
lady@msn.com, what happens is that lady receives the
email message with man@yahoo.com in the address field!!

Surely that can't be right. I would expect man@yahoo.com
to receive his version addressed to him, and lady@msn.com
to receive her version addressed to her, and neither
to know that I sent each a copy of the email.

Can anyone explain what use it is if the BCC recipients
each receive a mail addressed to the original 'TO:' field?

Cheers.
 
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Antifreeze wrote:
If I send an email to man@yahoo.com with a BCC tolady@msn.com, what happens is that lady receives theemail message with man@yahoo.com in the address field!!

Surely that can't be right.

That's exactly how it works. BCC means "blind carbon copy", slightly different than CC which means "carbon copy."

If you send an email to man@yahoo.com and you BCC lady@msn.com, here's what happens:

man@yahoo.com gets email addressed to him. He does not see that it's copied to lady@msn.com (that's where the "blind" part comes in.)

lady@msn.com gets a "copy" of the email that you sent to man@yahoo.com.

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Antifreeze wrote:
I would expect man@yahoo.comto receive his version addressed to him, and lady@msn.comto receive her version addressed to her, and neitherto know that I sent each a copy of the email.

I know Calypso/Courier email has a blind send option that does what you want, you put everyone's name in the To field, check the blind send box and each person will get an email addressed to them only and not know that it went to anyone else.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to duplicate this in The Bat. Maybe someone else has an idea? I know you could put both their names in the BCC field but when they got the email, it wouldn't list it as specifically to them.

Edited to add:
See this thread. It may have the solution to your problem.

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=2767&MID=10967#message10967
 

Thanks for your input.

> lady@msn.com gets a "copy" of the email that you
> sent to man@yahoo.com

But how confusing is it to see a message in YOUR inbox
addressed to someone else? Not only that, your own
address doesn't seem to appear in any of the viewable
RFC-822 headers!
There is no indication that the mail is even intended
for you; it looks like you received someone elses email
from a server error or something.

I really can't think of a single use for BCC, for the
way it works; so what do people use it for?

Anyway, what I'm interested in is sending one email to
maybe fifteen people, for them to see my address in the
field and their name in the 'to' field. I don't want
them to see that fourteen other people got sent the
same mail. Is there an easy way to achieve this? I
haven't used quick templates at all yet, and it seems
quite a cumbersome way to get some email sent.

Can anyone explain why this isn't a basic feature of
email anyway? Isn't it normal to want to email a bunch
of people the same message without them being able to
harvest all the other addresses you sent it to? I don't
understand why it is not a simple procedure.

Thanks.
 
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Can anyone explain why this isn't a basic feature of email anyway? Isn't it normal to want to email a bunch of people the same message without them being able to harvest all the other addresses you sent it to? I don't understand why it is not a simple procedure

It's very simple once it's set up. I used to send a Newsletter and regular mails this way. First you have to set up a template, for example:

%SUBJECT="This is your latest Newsletter"Hello %TOFNAME,

Mail text here

Regards,

your sig
........end of template here......

Then, having done that, go to your Address book and select the address group you want to send to so, in this case, you'll have to assign an address group for all the 15 people you want to mail. Choose File/Mass mailing using a template. Select your recently made Newsletter template which you can now edit to your hearts content before putting the message in the outbox ready for you to click send. When in the out box you'll see each individualmessage and you can look at them and see that each is individually written with, in the instance of the example I gave you, their first name and only their email address will show in their mail. Another advantage of this is that, if you have a big file to send to all 15, it only gets sent once but to all 15 at the same time, if you see what I mean!

Richard
 
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I really can't think of a single use for BCC, for the
way it works; so what do people use it for?
It's quite often used in business correspondence. For example, one might send a reprimand to an employee, and use BCC to send a copy to the human relations office without the employee's knowledge.

Another use is to send it to yourself, but BCC it to everyone you want to receive it. The only Email address the recipient will see on the message is yours, as both the sender and receiver. If you choose your subject line carefully that should eliminate any thought that it was a mis-sent message. You can even put your own address into the address book with the name "This is a Group Message" and the recipient will see that name plus your address as the sender...
 

OK, thanks for the replies. Very helpful. I'm going to experiment with the 'template and addressbook group' method, BUT...

> When in the out box you'll see each individual message.

Yes, I saw that when following your instructions. I think this would work fine for my 15 receipients. But I thought mass mailing would actually work differently. I wouldn't want, for instance, 400 single messages to be listed in my outbox OR sent as single messages from my machine, clogging it up for hours!! Surely 'mass-mailing' should mean sending ONE email to the server, with a list of recipients in one of the fields. At least that would only stress the server rather than the server *and* your own computer?

In the future, I probably will have a newsletter with about 400 email address to send it to. What about putting 'newsletter <list>' in the BCC field? Then only ONE email message would get sent from my computer and the server would do the work sending out the other 399 emails, right? And if I used something like 'Monthly-Newsletter@mydomain.com' in the TO field, there wouldn't be that confusing issue of people thinking they had got someone else's mail. Is there any downside to this idea? Would it not work for some reason?

Incidentally I found out that you can ctrl-click to highlight several people in your addressbook, and then choose 'mass-mailing'. This saves having to place the recipients in a group each time. I wish the template editor used microEd though; as it is, I would have to compose the Newsletter normally and then copy/paste into the template editor.


 

I'm still interested in hearing ideas of the best way to send a 400-recipient Newsletter. I would be interested in any method which did not invlolve sending the emails individually (ie. ONE message is sent to the server, which is then sent to each receipent) BUT the recipients must not be able to see/harvest each other's addresses.

Thanks.
 
Considering your wishes a BCC would be the best way to go. However, lots of servers have a limit for the amount of addressees for a given message (To:, CC: and BCC:), so this might not be the way to go for you.
Apart from TB you could try a list server, there's the option to run one yourself or to use a public one (like YahooGroups).
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The BCC way will give you what you want but you won't be able to successfully send one email bcced to 400 people. Groups of 20 would be more like it. Most of the professional bulk mailers send one email at a time (per person but lne up thusands instantly). As was mentioned earlier, unless you are adding large attachments that really isn't the problem you might imagine. (Large attachments? Put it on the web somewhere and provide a link)
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