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I've used Eudora for several years and am a registered user. I recently downloaded the Bat! on my laptop to give it a try and I like it very much. I have a few questions regarding features I find very useful in Eudora and would miss though which I hope can persuade me to change to the Bat! :-)

I have Eudora set to not download any html files for security, and I believe the Bat! By default doesn't either. When an html email is legit, and I want to see it properly, I right click the email (either in the inbox or anywhere in the open email) and select, "open in browser". Will I be able to do the same with the Bat!?

I find it surprising and disappointing that there is no right menu or tool button allowing me to mark an email as junk, or tell the Bat! it is not junk. I eventually found I could add such tool buttons to the main toolbar but I can't see how to add them to the viewing email toolbar - or the right mouse menu. Eudora allows me to simply right click anywhere and select "junk" or "not junk". These days, being able to reclassify erroneously marked junk, or mark mail as junk, is a daily occurrence and surely it should be much easier than this? Have I missed something?

Finally, following the last point, I can't understand the logic behind leaving an email in the junk folder when I tell the Bat! it is NOT junk. I have to manually move it. In Eudora, when I tell it a mail is not junk it immediately reprocesses it and puts it back in my inbox, or if other filters exist it puts it in the appropriate place. Does the Bat! really think it's best to leave the task of moving all these emails around manually? Is there a reason I can't see for not reprocessing it and ignoring the junk filter? It should then end up exactly where all other emails not seen as junk go, i.e. in an inbox.

I downloaded the Bat! because I saw a great review recently in Computer Shopper which said it was the best, but these anomalies are a shock to my expectations.

Other than these points, I do really like the Bat! I post the points not to be critical, but to be persuaded :-)
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You can change the options for viewing HTML at:
Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor

You can add the 'mark as spam' action to the right mouse menu in the same way as you add it to the toolbar, but you've got to add it to the 'message list pop-up (pop-up)' in stead of the 'standard (toolbar)'
You can select that as container in the customise menu.

Marking a message as non spam will leave the message in the junk folder until you move it manually and currently there's no option to change that behaviour. However, when you've configured the BayesIt plug-in properly it won't give you many false positives. So the problem can be ignored soon.
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Thanks. I found that the junk options I want are hidden on the right mouse menu inside "specials". I've moved them so they are right at the top of the right menu now which is much better.

I can't imagine any filter ever bing 100% accurate though, I've been using them for ages with Eudora and Mailwasher Pro and both miss spam all the time and still give fals positives from time to time.

I looked at the html options you mentioned but can't see what I'm after. The thing I want to do is NOT have the Bat! download external files and graphics on html emails by default - but, when I have viewed an email and found it to be acceptable, THEN I want to say, OK, fetch the graphics and display it as the author intended. The way I currently achieve this in Eudora is by right clicking the message and selecting, "open in browser".Maybe there's a different way of doing this that I haven't found?
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as far as i'm concerned, when i receive an html message, i have a "Message.html" file in my left panel.

The Bat! never opens or download external files and graphics on html emails. yet by double clicking on the file, it will open it in your browser in the way it was originally sent.
 
 
 
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RAD wrote:
The Bat! never opens or download external files and graphics on html emails. yet by double clicking on the file, it will open it in your browser in the way it was originally sent.

I'm hoping they add a "download images" feature like Thunderbird has. If there is a certain HTML email that you want to see, you click on the download images button and get the HTML for that one specific email instead of having to open it in a separate browser.
 
 
 
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Thanks. The more I play around with the Bat! the more I like it. It makes Eudora seem so old fashioned too.
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andy_art_trigg wrote:
The more I play around with the Bat! the more I like it. It makes Eudora seem so old fashioned too.

Yes, I was a long time Eudora user. It was a decent email client in it's time. What Qualcomm needs to do is a total re-write from scratch. Instead, they keep adding and patching the existing code. I've tried just about all the other email clients out there, even earlier versions of The Bat. Currently that's what I'm using. It handles my multiple accounts (IMAP, POP3 & Web-based) pretty well. Sure, it has some issues but for the most part handles things well.
 
 
 
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After using the Bat! for a few days now, I really do prefer it to Eudora. Many of the things I found difficult at first (thanks to the replies here) I can actuallty do, just in a different way to how I did them in Eudora.

There is just one annoyance I'm not yet sure I can live with. It's the leaving of legitimate mail in the junk folder once I've marked it as NOT junk. To be honest, I find this behaviour really bizarre and very annoying.

If I mark the mail that the Bat! has decided was legitimate as "Junk", it immediately does the right thing and sends the mail to the Junk folder. When I go through the junk folder and find legitimate mail, I expect that when I tell the Bat! it is NOT junk it will immediately reprocess it. At the very least simply put it into the appropriate inbox. I can't think of any valid reason for leaving potentially important email in the junk folder and expecting me to manually move them over to the inbox each time.

The only logical explanation I can imagine is that some fussy people may want to decide for themselves where to put the mail, but then they would have set up filters to do that wouldn't they? Surely the vast majority of users will prefer for the mail to be put exactly where the Bat! would have put it if it HADN'T thought it was junk.
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andy_art_trigg wrote:
If I mark the mail that the Bat! has decided was legitimate as "Junk", it immediately does the right thing and sends the mail to the Junk folder.

That's funny, mine wasn't even doing that until I found the option to turn it on. Thanks!

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andy_art_trigg wrote:
When I go through the junk folder and find legitimate mail, I expect that when I tell the Bat! it is NOT junk it will immediately reprocess it. At the very least simply put it into the appropriate inbox.

I agree, it should put it back to where it came from. One thing I've noticed is that as time goes on and the junk filter is trained, you will get less and less false positives. I can't even remember when the last time I received one marked junk when it really wasn't.
 
 
 
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