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Bayes Plugin 2.0.4, Not Filtering Junk Mail
 
I installed the Bayes Filter Plugin but apparently it is not working.  It doensn't classify any email as junk mail.  Something obviously is wrong.
 
You're supposed to train it first by teaching what is spam and what isn't. You can do that with the 'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' functions under the Specials menu.
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I'm just a user of The Bat! I don't work for Ritlabs.
 
ANY form of content filtering is crap - this is by design.

There is no sense in downloading spam first and digging in that rubbish afterwards. Spammers will always win - think of GIF-messages instead of normal text encoded ones, think of the non-English languages - no filter is designed to handle chineese, for example. There are lots of ways to defeat any content filter. Period.

My strong position is: do not download spam at all.
I use the SpamPal's DNSBL for this - with the Selective download feature of the Bat!.

Works fine. No excessive traffic.
Once in a while - look into the server's in-box - all the spam-tagged mail is still there - check that there is no legal mail, get it if it's there - and purge the in-box.
winXP-SP3 Pro, the Bat! v4.0.38
 
Thebat is a good honest program - the SPAM filter sucks - period.

Get real - you can do better. The spam shit is out of hand and I am sure something can be done. At least 80% of spam is viagra, dick etc.

Time to look in to it!
 
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My strong position is: do not download spam at all.
I use the SpamPal's DNSBL for this - with the Selective download feature of the Bat!.

Works fine. No excessive traffic.
Once in a while - look into the server's in-box - all the spam-tagged mail is still there - check that there is no legal mail, get it if it's there - and purge the in-box.

From SPAMPal web site, looks like is not like that
You still downloading the spam to your machine, but the spam will be redirected to a special folder that you can check later.
Please read:
http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html

I'm using something similar (POPFile) to do it and also I'm using another MailWasher to do what you wrote (delete the spam BEFORE it hits your e-mail program.)
I wonder if there is any way to integrate TheBat! with one of those programs that delete the SPAM before it cames to your machine.

By the way, POPFile and SpamPal integrates very well into TheBat!

PS: no affiliations with any name here. Just a happy customer :)
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Old PMMail user wrote:
From SPAMPal web site, looks like is not like that
Pardon me, Sir, you are completely wrong!

I'm quite certain - with the SpamPal in DNSBL mode - my the Bat! retrieves the headers only.
After the filtering is done by SpamPal - the Bat! either ignores or downloads the mail leaving the spam|false_positives on the server.

If you do not believe me - test it yourself - get CommView and capture your POP3 traffic.
winXP-SP3 Pro, the Bat! v4.0.38
 
Absolutely corect.
SPAM, SPAM, and more SPAM.

Yes The Bat is a nice program, but the spam filter sucks. WHY?

We have version 3.85 and still the same problem.
Can the developer do something about better SPAM filtering before we downloaded from the server.

If anyone has a "bright" idea I like to hear about it.
(don't tell me about Mailwasher, SpamPal etc.)

Solution is long overdue!!!!!!!!
 
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Can the developer do something about better SPAM filtering before we downloaded from the server.

That sounds nice, but that's impossible for a mail client. In order to check whether a message is spam, the client needs to read it first, whether you want to call it reading or downloading, it still is the same thing: getting data from the server.
Of course you can create a reading step and a downloading step, just to show they are two different things, but that means that you've got to download the good messages twice. I can't imagine that you'd like that as an alternative.

When you don't want to download spam the only option is server side filtering. But if you don't run your own server you'll need your ISP to do that for you. there are a lot of ISPs that offer this service, either for free or for some fee, so it might be available for you.

For those who are interested in plug-ins, Ritlabs download page http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php
offers three available aanti-spam plug-ins BayesIt that's also included with TB, BayesFilter a free plug-in and AGAVA a plug-in with both a free and a (slightly more capable) paid for version. After the release of AGAVA's free version I've heard enthousiastic reviews from users, so you might consider that.
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I'm just a user of The Bat! I don't work for Ritlabs.
 
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Roelof Otten wrote:
That sounds nice, but that's impossible for a mail client

Everything is possible. Maybe not 100%, but I am sure something can be done. Maybe combination of ideas like SpamAssasin. MailWasher, SpamPal, all the plugins etc.
(I hope you get the idea). Like I said, maybe not 100%, but anything close to that will be nice.

What about special SPAM forum right here, so we can all share ideas.
About filters
About settings
About plugins
etc.
I downloaded and install the AGAVA plugin.
Found very little info and no price (but it does say it's good for 30 days) What's the price? What does it do? (just read the readme file: no price, but has URL to go to)http://www.antispamservant.com/bat_plugin.shtml

$14 to buy? I am prepared to pay $140 for any plugin that will take care of the spam.

As you can see a developer that will come up with AnitSpam plugin/program could possibly make more money then developing email prog. (INTERESTING Huh?)

You see what I mean? Even the plugins that are made to help SPAM don't have to much info and that's rediculous

TheBat it self should have easier filtering system.
Easier to mark JUNK and not to go trough various clicks to mark it.
Also once umark as a NOjunk it should go back to inbox.

The Bat is good email prog, but the spam issue has being neglected.

That's my oppinion!

BTW: thanks for the help  
 
I'm using two licensed versions of antispam plugins together:
1 - agava antispamservant (www.antispamservant.com)
2 - antispamsniper (www.antispamsniper.com)
The first is very very good
Also the second is very good and it can delete spam messages directly from servers and it also can be use with Voyager
I use both together and the results are absolutely good, it just take an initial period for training the plugins, then all goes well.
If you want to buy them both it all costs 26 euros, otherwise there are also the free versions for the two plugings. I haven't tested them, maybe you can start with the free versions of both plugins and then upgrade to paid versions if you like it.
Use them both and spam would be only a bad memory....(more or less :-))
 
Looks GOOD - thank you Paolo
 
It looks my nightmare is over. I went from 5-10,000 spams per day down to 5-10.

Thanks to PAOLO I stumbled at the best kept secret on the web - antispamsniper (www.antispamsniper.com) ASS

Anyone who has problem with spam and using TB should have this plugin - period!

I tried a lot of plugins and this one works excellent.

Just like to share my experience.

I only like to know WHY the plugin (even information)is not included on theBat website.
It's rediculous and stupid to keep anybody from this great and the best working plugin.

I am still pissed off that it took me so long to find it..
For the people that said it can't be done? Well, it can!!!
 
Hummmm, what about the first question from Tim? I think that everybody "forgot" it.

I am having some problems as Tim, and I did not find anything that could help me.

Unfortunately.  :cry:  
 
Look into my answer to Tim.
You're supposed to train the plug-in. It'll start to work after sufficient training. 200 hams and 200 spams should do the trick.
My problem back when I was trying BayesIt and BayesFilter was that I had a rather low spam/ham ratio 3-4 spams a day on an average flow of 400 msgs a day. Made it hard to train the plug-ins.
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I'm just a user of The Bat! I don't work for Ritlabs.
 
I will say - again and again - any Bayes-"filter" is wrong way.

The ultimate solution (unfortunately available on server only) is the Grey-Listing combined with the DNSBL.

Here, at client, the SpamPal proxy in DNSBL mode works almost as good as the server-side solution.
All one has to do is to set up the Selective download mode in the Bat!, that's all...
winXP-SP3 Pro, the Bat! v4.0.38
 
What ever happen to any solutions here.

Would be nice to see some update.
 
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