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Idiot GMAIL user giving up on GMAIl and TheBat!, Tired of digging to use email
 
My 1st mistake was getting a GMAIL account.

My 2nd mistake was thinking TheBat! would work with it.

A few years ago, through some miracle and hours of pouring over forums, I made this combo from hell work.

Then I switched to Thunderbird Mail (TB) as TheBat! stoped connecting to my GMAIL account.

Now that TB has started failing (unable to reconfigure accounts w/out major coding expertise), I thought I would try TheTBat! again.

Bad idea. After finding the solution for "bad handshake" now I am facing another idiotic error. No more digging for what should just f-ing work!

Tomorrow I am backing up my gmail data and that evil provider is out.

I will set up an account on somtehing small FastMail and try TheBat! again with that. If still no go, there goes TheBat!

I really dont ask for much. WTF happened since the times email was f**ing simple?

So tired of this constant idiot-geek nonsense.

Sorry for the rant.
 
I was able to set up FastMail with TheBat!.

Interestingly, K-9 mail client which I use on my phone ran through FastMail set up all by itself, even taking me through the step of setting up the app-specific password for FastMail.

TheBat! tried the auto set up but failed completely. For example, it assumed the FastMail server domain ended with .fm (it is .com). I had to set up the app pass for TheBat! manually, correct the domain and then it worked.

I LOVE the many great features of TheBat! but actually getting it to receive and send email is where it fails. That is just deplorable and so sad.
Edited: Andrew Kolcz - 22 January 2026 06:22:38
 
Congrats on getting it to work! Once your blood pressure has returned to normal, please report the Fastmail auto setup thing to Ritlabs (using the Support menu above).
I volunteer as a moderator to help keep the forum tidy. I do not work for Ritlabs SRL.
 
Yeah, using The Bat! in recent years has become like driving an Italian car. You love the features, enjoy the experience, but need to be on first-name terms with a mechanic to keep it on the road. Or become a mechanic yourself...
 
It's possible to rant without profanity. Possible and highly recommended.

I've been using FastMail since it was officially fastmail.fm, long before they acquired the fastmail.com domain. My login is still @fastmail.fm. I've been using The Bat with FastMail for over ten years, so I don't remember the setup process, but if Bat can't do it automatically, FM provides excellent support and the necessary info is probably on the website.

I use IMAP exclusively, and all my filtering and sorting is done on the FM website. I use Sieve, but for most people the GUI interface fills the filter/sort needs.

I also connect via The Bat to a couple of Gmail accounts, but that's by necessity rather than desire. The issues I have in that area deal with Google's perversion of the IMAP protocol.
 
I don't know why the OP has such difficulty. Both thunderbird and thebat support oauth for gmail- at worst gmail still supports app passwords.  Not sure if thebat supports it for microsoft. You do have to get the imap(pop) and smtp servers and correct ports for either to function properly. This is generally specified by the email service used. Probably where the OP messed up.

I'm not directly familiar with fastmail but do know someone that uses pobox (which got bought my fastmail not too long ago). He's on some $100 plan and stuck because the email address is well established (over 2 decades). Frankly, even at the $5/month price point, I would establish my own domain and use some cheap webhost to host the email services. Plenty of cheap shared hosting services at less than $50/year. With this arrangement, you can set up as many mail boxes as you want, configure a catchall for your domain.  The latter is great. I make up emails all the time on the spot. If an email gets burned, no problem, the real email is never revealed.  


Many years ago I made the decision to establish my own domain. This was the best decision. I'm not tied to any particular provider for email services for any reason. Domain name and services are managed through different entities so one doesn't have a stronghold on the other.


I do agree, no one should use gmail.  It's a privacy nightmare. However, as a cloud service, any service that processes your email will have access to its content including paid services.

Given the issues the OP has with standard email config, i highly DO NOT recommend the following.  I still value what bit of privacy remains. As such, I am hosting my own email server. Fortunately the isp was kind enough to open up port 25 in/out so the local MTA is able to function. Been doing so for the last 3 years. Other than a missing PTR record, everything else is in place including spf, dkim, dmarc, tlsa, dane and something.


As for email clients, I switched to thunderbird about the same time I set up the above server.  Long time thebat user for 20+ years. It was getting long in tooth by not exposing some underlying settings I wanted access to - ie, like not embedding the local hostname/ip in sent messages, or at least allowing the option to spoof those.  There were some other things too that I can't recall. Search was simpler. However, with the right mix of addons/extensions, thunderbird is operating quite well.


For mobile devices I use aquamail and have explored fairemail. Both offer a huge assortment of configuration options with the latter really digging into the granular aspect of config - enough that even I'd say it's overkill for a mobile app. Aqual mail offers the right mix (for me) of configuration options while still offering much more than the simpleton gmail app.
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